Hi Sebastian , The answer is no there is no reason, except to separate the names.
I hope my posting style meets with approval, as I do like to use 1 or 2 of the functions.
Yes Ennio (Morricone ?) the 21-30 are also in preference order.
HANG EM HIGH 1968 is definetely a “Spaghetti” Western . It was the USA almost 1st
attempt at making a Euro Western and the film was outstandilng in all departments.
The chemistry and scenes between Clint EASTWOOD and Inger STEVENS Rip were FAB
As they are in preference order like you say, then why is A Man Called Sledge At 30 and The Great Silence at 24 ?, as according to your post of 29th November you say you prefer A Man Called Sledge ?
[quote=“SARTANA DJANGO, post:14, topic:353”]MAN CALLED SLEDGE 1970 James Garner, Dennis Weaver, Laura Antonelli
This is a masterful, exciting, violent, beautiful, tense, well directed, superbly cast SW.
I have given it a 5 star vote and I PREFER this MAN CALLED SLEDGE 1970 much more
than that “Great Silence” 1968 which is good but ruined by that Jean Louis Trintignant ???
My Vote for A MAN CALLED SLEDGE is 17 out of 20 .[/quote]
No it isn’t. It is neither shot in europe, nor produced by an italion company. It has american actors and an american director. It is a spaghetti like US western, nothing more: http://german.imdb.com/title/tt0061747/combined
I cannot disagree with your facts Lode your point is correct by the letter of the law.
Having said that I was voting for “Spaghetti” westerns notice the ( ) meaning as long
as they were SPAGHETTI s, no matter where they were made and who was starring.
I love HANG EM HIGH 1968 enormously and for me its Top 5 but if the editors do not
want to count it , then it will not get any counting votes … :-\
Ennio you are also quite right and observant indeed ;D
I did put down TGS 68 a lot and it has a “2nd string cast” but I went back later, looked
at my DVD of the film, read the sleeve notes, recalled that I too liked the film a lot and
thought it must be somewhere near the top 20. So I slotted it in at 24 but no higher.
The MAN CALLED SLEDGE 1970 , I had forgotten to put in into the 20 (with so many
great films to consider) and I noticed my forgetfulness just after I typed number 29 !!
So I just got it into number 30 , I may change it later or leave it. It should really be
about 16 or so .
;D Using my wide definition of “spaghetti” westerns I was going to list in my top 20
FIRECREEK 1968 (Henry Fonda, James Stewart , Inger Stevens , Brooke Bundy )
But then I thought that is a magnificent epic top star western but not a “spaghetti”
I love both HANG 'M HIGH and FIRECREEK
According to the rules applied here they cannot be called spaghetti westerns, but H’MH certainly comes close in both subject and atmosphere (not to mention Clint). I think they used the term “Stateside Spaghetti western” for these American attempts to make a European Western. Anyway, I always thought it’s Clint’s best non-Leone western, far better than his later efforts.
FIRECREEK on the contrary - although a great movie - doesn’t have the spaghetti feel, at least in my opinion. On the other hand, it was made - if I’m not mistaken - before ONCE UPON … so Henry Fonda could practise his part as a heavy a bit …
There are a few films in this Top 20 I don’t know, so I know what to look for in the near future
Seems I have to work on my Peter Lee Lawrence …
Can’t understand the presence of A MAN CALLED NOON.
But those things happen too, I suppose …
“according to the letter of the law”… lol
well hang 'em high, as much as I love it, can’t be in anyone’s list to be counted, just like any other american western, spaghetti western look and feel notwithstanding.
the latest 3:10 to yuma looks pretty sw’ish be that as it may
AMONG VULTURES / Unter Geiern 1964 Stewart Granger , Elke Sommer
KILLER CALIBER 32 1967 Peter Lee Lawrence , Helene Chanel
EL ROJO 1966 Richard Harrison , Susan Scott
GARRINGO 1969 Peter Lee Lawrence, Anthony Steffen
IF YOU MEET SARTANA PRAY F/DEATH 1968 Gianni Garko , Klaus Kinski
BLOOD AT SUNDOWN 1966 Gianni Garko , Anthony Steffen
VENGEANCE 1968 Richard Harrison , Spela Rozin
MAN CALLED NOON 1973 Richard Crenna, Farley Granger
A BULLET FOR THE GENERAL 1967 Lou Castel , Gian Maria Volonte
MAN CALLED SLEDGE 1970 James Garner , Dennis Weaver
THIS MAN CAN’T DIE /LUNGHI GIORNI 1970 Guy Madison , Lucienne Bridou
FORGOTTEN PISTOLERO 1969 Leonard Mann , Luciana Paluzzi
REQUIESCANT / KILL AND PRAY 1968 Mark Damon , Lou Castel
I think this is my finalized list containing all EURO WESTERNS (Spaghetti Westerns) :o
Thanks Scherf it makes me happy to hear you also like very much those 2 GREATS
HANG EM HIGH 1968 and FIRECREEEK 1968 (its not spaghetti though ;D )
Yes To me and many SW fans PETER LEE LAWRENCE is like a “James Dean” because
he lived only 29 years and in a short time made 30 Outstanding quality films 65-74.
By the way I do not rate James Dean much as he made only 3 films all just Ok dramas.
:o YES both number 4 and number 8 are GERMAN EURO “spaghetti” Westerns :’(
I have reluctantly removed those marvellous USA “spaghetti” Films as they were not
European but thats it Bad Lt ! Both of the Spaghetti German Westerns below are
in THOMAS WEISSER’S Book and are 100% EURO. It is not Italian only ??Its EURO.
FLAMING FRONTIER / OLD SUREHAND 1965 STEWART GRANGER , Leticia Roman
AMONG VULTURES / UNTER GEIERN 1964 STEWART GRANGER , Elke Sommer
MAN CALLED NOON 1973 RICHARD CRENNA , Farley Granger
(Spanish/Uk/Italy) Western Directed by Peter Collinson.
I have had to put DAYS OF VIOLENCE 1968 a bit lower down as I read my notes again.
It is now just outside the top 20.
Spaghetti Westerns = EUROPEAN WESTERNS = Italy/Spain/France/Germany/Yugoslavia
I will add a 21-40 TOP Spaghetti / Euro Westerns just to include some essential films.
;D I am sorry Stanton I know you love/wanted some DEMOFILO FIDANI :o but
maybe some other time , possibly when the list has a TOP 100 !!
I wonder which 3 you have not yet seen.
Bad Lt I think you are in need of SEVERE LEARNING and BOOK STUDYING of the FACTS :
There is NO “Italian Western” as you tried to suggest incorrectly ! ???
I know the SWDB says “top 20 essential Italian Westerns” on its front pages but we
NEED to USE our COMMON SENSE and KNOWLEDGE of REALITY. :
“Italian Western” is in fact nearly always a CO-PRODUCTION with OTHER Europeans !
FISTFUL OF DOLLARS 64 is a “Italian-German-Spanish production” page 114
Spaghetti Westerns by Thomas Weisser.
Do you therefore want to EXCLUDE Fistful Of Dollars 64 Bad Lt ???
IMDB The worlds biggest MOVIE Database has under
Keyword “spaghetti westerns” 266 Westerns that include SPANISH/GERMAN/YUG
Anyway your “argument” is totally false because most “Italian” Westerns were as
FISTFUL OF DOLLARS a CO-PRODUCTION with other Europeans : Spain/Ger/Yug etc
MERCENARY 68 Franco Nero , Giovanna Ralli Is described page 216 Italy/Spain
GREAT SILENCE 68 is a Italy/France Production Adelphia(it)/Les Films Corona(Fr).
If we used your “logic” Bad Lt then MOST of everybody’s TOP 20 would be “illegal”.
Anyway we need to be as WIDE RANGING and INCLUSIVE: Spaghetti / EURO WESTERN
Let us get on with the business of PRAISING and INCLUDING Films not Excluding
THOMAS WEISSER BOOK “Spaghetti Westerns” Comprehensive Illustrated Filmog.
This is the standard REFERENCE WORK covers 558 SPAGHETTI WESTERNS
“made throughout Europe” INCLUDES CORRECTLY Italy/Spain/France/Germany/Yugo
The BOOK is researched Not only By Weisser but by Craig Ledbetter (ETC), Tom Betts
and a whole team of experts. It has (as all reference books have) some errors but
overall it serves as the Spaghetti Westerns Reference Work.
No Veda if you read my previous posting you will see that most/all of the
so called “Italian Westerns” were co productions with 1 or more France/Ger/Spain/Yugo
If you and Bad Lt want to EXCLUDE Fistful of Dollars 64 and Mercenary 68 then you
will RUIN and make a nonsense of EVERYBODY’s TOP 20 lists.
Let us get on with the business of praising, including and commenting on Spaghettis now
I accepted the USA westerns “argument” , I have shown this latest “italian western”
“argument” to be false and incorrect :-* so now I will get on with my TOP 21-40
Oh man. Please read the thread about the definition of a Spaghetti Western. I think it is you who is going to have to make changes to your top-20 list… (again)
